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DMA spokesman Mushtaq Hussain DMA spokesman Mushtaq Hussain

DEFIANT members of Dudley Muslim Association have vowed to go back to the drawing board after Dudley Council refused its latest plans for a mosque and community centre.

Members of the Development Control Committee unanimously rejected the application to build the multi-million pound building on land in Hall Street, slamming the design as “characterless”, “featureless", “inappropriate” and an “alien feature”.

DMA proposed a downsized mosque and connecting community centre in comparison to its previous application, with the mosque influenced by traditional Islamic architecture complete with a dome and minaret, while the centre featured a contemporary design with glass and panelling.

The application also included two flats, classrooms, three kitchens, conference halls and prayer areas, a gym, funeral parlour and a daytime crèche.

Despite last minute alterations and changes to the design by the DMA, councillors went along with the planning officer’s recommendation of refusal, due to the “overall scale, massing and design which fails to make a positive contribution to the character and appearance of the area.”

Cllr Geoff Southall, said: “This application has nothing worthy of note going for it at all. It is an inappropriate development on the landscape of one of the main gateways to a historic market town.

“It does not sit comfortably on the landscape like the iconic castle does. It is characterless, featureless and in part has a lack of individual identity.

“It is an alien feature in this location and has nothing to commend it.”

Cllr Margaret Wilson, also criticised the “poor design” saying: “ I was on the committee for the first application and I haven’t changed my mind from a few years ago.

“This site is on the gateway to Dudley. It is far, far too large. It doesn’t allow for any extension or improvements. I can’t see why anyone wants a building this large.

“There would be traffic chaos, there would not be enough parking. It is out of keeping with the area and it is not the right place for a building like this.”

However councillors did agree to extend the time limit for the previous outline application, which was granted by the Bristol-based Planning Inspector in 2008, which means the DMA have a further three years to submit more plans.

Speaking after the meeting, DMA spokesman Mushtaq Hussain, said he was “very disappointed” with the outcome.

He said: “Obviously I am pleased with the decision to extend the time period, but I am very disappointed with the refusal of the plans. We have had discussions with the planners and at no stage did they bring up any objections to the design, until they published the report in September leaving us little time to address them.

“But we will go back to the drawing board and I will now need to go back to the DMA, who will discuss whether we will lodge an appeal about this decision. But I am sure we will. We have gone through this before.”

In a separate matter, Dudley Council is still pursuing a bid through the High Court to buy back the Hall Street land, citing a clause in the contract which stated certain work had to be completed by the DMA by the end of December 2008. The hearing is set to be heard next year.

Comments(16)

sds says...
7:49pm Tue 20 Sep 11

How is it possible that it is both featureless, and an Alien blot on the landscape?

Presumably the 60's tower blocks, garish casino and derelict factories fit in perfectly with the castle? A decision to deny permission is one thing. The various Councillor's comments tell a different story altogether. It all adds up to a case of Muslims should be neither seen or heard. I'll be writing in the support the appeal.

Dudleymon says...
7:08am Wed 21 Sep 11

Am i the ONLY person that remembers what the DMA said when this idea was originally mused? about how they would listen to the people of Dudley and what they wanted?

22,000 names objected to it did they listen then? NO.

And at every turn the people of Dudley have said a resounding NO to this and did the DMA listen? NO.

And now once again it has been rejected and they are going to appeal so DMA, are you STILL "listening" to the people of Dudley and respecting our wishes? NO. You are not.

SDS said "It all adds up to a case of Muslims should be neither seen or heard."

Hogswash. You have been heard loud and clear, it is the local people who are being neither seen nor heard.

lliam45 says...
11:05am Wed 21 Sep 11

It's called 'DEFIANCE' Dudleymon.

lliam45 says...
11:10am Wed 21 Sep 11

It's called 'DEFIANCE' Dudleymon.

dudley old boy says...
12:05pm Wed 21 Sep 11

sds Muslims should be neither seen or heard.
are you having a laugh i think its the other way round there is not a day goes by without muslims complaining how hard done by they are or how upset they are i am waiting for the race card to be pulled out of the hat

satchman says...
12:16pm Wed 21 Sep 11

Theres more to it with the people of Dudley and let no one deny it. Dudley says it doesn't fit in with the landscape. Well does Tescos? And all the other modern day bulidings? Does the new College building fit into the castle landscape? Did the old tax office fit into the landscape? Come off it Dudley mbc..you are making numpty excuses. If the majority of the people of Dudley don't want it that is fair enough..but people of Dudley..don't give silly blott on the Landscape excuses when we have all the other modern day crappy looking buildings!!Tell the truth as it really is!! Need I say more than that??

Dudleymon says...
3:02pm Wed 21 Sep 11

"Well does Tescos? And all the other modern day bulidings? Does the new College building fit into the castle landscape? Did the old tax office fit into the landscape?"

No, your right. However they ALL bring money into the town, neither caused traffic chaos and everyone in the community is allowed to use them.

Stop trying to pick holes in the councils decision, it was rejected because it's not wanted, it was never wanted and despite what the DMA keep promising the whole community would NOT be allowed to use it we are not stupid and aside from the couple of jobs it would create initially no financial benefit will be brought to the rest of the town WOULD IT? be honest, it wouldn't. Because as i mentioned above DMA have PROVEN they can't keep their promises the moment they broke the promise to respect the wishes of the people of dudley.

But when all is said and done and only the muslim community can use it it will be a case of "oh what a shame, oh well it's already up now"

And no. It's not defiance, it's just denial and quite frankly they way this whole things is being pandered to is pathetic. It was rejected (again) it's time to call it a day, tenacious does not even begin to describe it.

satchman says...
3:13pm Wed 21 Sep 11

raffic chaos..Well that is an open debate really. Why do you think they spent millions and caused misery on the dudley island for the last twelve months? To relieve traffic maybe? Anyway that is off subject. Is it about bringing money into the town now then? I am not for or against but why do the people of Dudley not want this Mosque? And don't give me traffic problems where it is going to be built. It will cause no more problems than the current tescos has caused through the years.

It wasn't rejected because it wasn't wanted. It has to be rejected on legal or environmental grounds. Dudley is pandering to these petitions and maybe it should,but i only hope that the same applies to anyone who applies for permission to build a church or any other type of building.The people of Dudley have spoken??? Not really There are nearly 200.000 and only 22,000 signed a petition. Who are the people of Dudley I ask really in this?????

andyc225 says...
3:17pm Wed 21 Sep 11

The DMA is wasting public money that could be put to better use in challenging this decision. It's time for the Muslim community to put up or shut up - there are plenty of other mosques in the area for them to use.

dudley old boy says...
3:35pm Wed 21 Sep 11

satchman there may be 200,000 why dont the dma take a petiton around dudley and see how many are in favour of the mosque no thought not

satchman says...
3:53pm Wed 21 Sep 11

And why would they do that Dudley old boy? Would Tesco's go around with a petition to see how many people of Dudley wanted one built or in favour of one built

yeti75 says...
6:59am Fri 23 Sep 11

Dudley Council, again giving lame excuses, such as 'not fitting in with the landscape, or traffic problems'....load of tosh!. This on going saga will rumble on, predominately due to the hypocrisy of the Council. It's kind of funny, that the Council offered this land to the DMA in a land swap, with full knowledge that a Mosque and Community Centre would at some point be built there.....now for some reason it has been designated some kind of enterprise zone, along with all the other nonsensical excuses of it's non suitability...why offer the land in the first place? Dudley Council is confused and has been giving confusing, misleading statements from day one on this issue.
As local residents, i would have to say that the Muslims of Dudley, or any other faiths followers have the right to have a place of worship in their own town....period!

lliam45 says...
4:24pm Fri 30 Sep 11

yeti75......

What part of: 'The People of Dudley don't want the Mosque'.. Don't you understand? Accept it and move on.

satchman says...
6:06pm Fri 30 Sep 11

lliam45...The bit I don't understand is where are the other 160,000 signatures from ALL!! the people of Dudley? To me it is just a few that don't want the Mosque untill the majority of Dudley residents sign that form!!

lliam45 says...
8:34pm Fri 30 Sep 11

Maybe so satchman, but don't you think this thing should have been dealt with years ago instead of endless drawing up new plans only to be rejected? Surely there's a logical answer to all this that will suite all concerned and then Dudley can at last return to a normal market town?

satchman says...
9:14pm Fri 30 Sep 11

Yes it should have been sorted out a long time ago for all concerned. I wonder how long it took Tescos to get planning permission to build its new stores?

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