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BREAKING NEWS: EDL stages rooftop protest
11:40pm Sunday 2nd May 2010 in Local
REPORTS are coming in that the English Defence League has occupied the rooftop of a derelict building in Dudley earmarked for a mammoth new mosque.
The group staged a daytime protest in the town on Easter Saturday to show their objection to the planned new place of worship - and almost immediately afterwards supporters said a return visit was already being planned.
Around 20 EDL members, with their faces covered, are reportedly involved in the protest, which has been advertised on the group's page on social networking site Facebook.
An eyewitness said: "They're waving England flags and blaring out Islamic music from a loud speaker."
The EDL's website says the protestors "have food and water to last them weeks, and a pa system to give speeches".
It adds: "I believe they even have a Playstation. They will be playing the call to prayer to let those who are not bothered by this mosque know what to look forward to."
Police and fire crews - however - have arrived at the scene and sealed off Hall Street in the hope of achieving a swift end to the protest.
Comments(101)
CTH
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12:21am Mon 3 May 10
Volkl
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12:38am Mon 3 May 10
United Shades of Britain
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12:53am Mon 3 May 10
Potsworth
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1:06am Mon 3 May 10
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United Shades of Britain
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1:09am Mon 3 May 10
And yes, I think it's safe to say the EDL are not doing themselves any favours.
Road_Hog
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1:17am Mon 3 May 10
United Shades of Britain
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1:22am Mon 3 May 10
It has been widely documented the people's of Aylesbury's feeling on the demo. And how many people actually live in Dudley? 194,919 people live there, and there only 22,000 signatures. Now, by my maths, that's not a majority is it?
Potsworth
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1:24am Mon 3 May 10
United Shades of Britain
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1:28am Mon 3 May 10
Ok, so why was Aylesbury picked? Enlighten me!
YORKIE68
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1:30am Mon 3 May 10
To the EDL protesting in Dudley at the minute. There are divisions up and down the country that are right behind you. No Surrender
United Shades of Britain
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1:34am Mon 3 May 10
That sounds rather BNPish to me.
The people of Aylesbury did NOT ask for your support. You ruined a lot of people's Bank Holiday Saturday. Two people cancelled their weddings because of the disruption, another little boy had to cancel his birthday party. Shops/bars/restauran
ts could not trade on a busy weekend, including the popular Market. Thousands of pounds lost to people already struggling financially. A whopping £300,000 policing bill, again during a time of economic hardship.
And just how did the EDL help combat extremism? Was it the 'Allah, Allah, who the **** is Allah' chant that stopped any would-be bombers?
Potsworth
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1:50am Mon 3 May 10
Road_Hog
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1:52am Mon 3 May 10
United Shades of Britain
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1:57am Mon 3 May 10
@Roadhog 'Under Islam' Islam isn't being forced on anyone here, it's just the far-right that like to stir up fear in communities. The EDL aren't protesting Islamic extremists, they're protesting against Islam.
And you didn't answer my question.
Funny that.
United Shades of Britain
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1:58am Mon 3 May 10
http://www.buckshera
ld.co.uk/
United Shades of Britain
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2:00am Mon 3 May 10
YORKIE68
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2:00am Mon 3 May 10
United Shades of Britain
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2:03am Mon 3 May 10
I think the police are wise to advise cautionary methods after previous antics from the EDL. So far you haven't actually managed a peaceful protest.
CTH
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2:06am Mon 3 May 10
United Shades of Britain
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2:07am Mon 3 May 10
CTH
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2:12am Mon 3 May 10
United Shades of Britain
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2:20am Mon 3 May 10
And if the EDL protest Islamic extremism, why are they harassing KFC staff about halal meat?
Why are they wanting to ban the burkha?
Why are they wanting no mosques?
Basically, to the EDL, if you're a Muslim in this country, the only way you can follow your religion is if you don't eat what you want to eat, you don't wear what you want to wear, or pray in a place of worship appropriate to your religion.
jabz_ali
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2:20am Mon 3 May 10
Here is a video of the town boarded up, how much money was lost by businesses and traders today?
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=fP3qeuX5n
gk&feature=related
Thames Valley Police
http://www.thamesval
ley.police.uk/newsev
ents/newsevents-prot
est-aylesbury.htm
"Aylesbury’s many different communities enjoy very good relationships and the town is not typical of the locations the EDL have chosen to hold previous protests.
Why are the EDL coming on a Saturday?
The EDL has made this decision for themselves. The police and the local authority have made it clear to the EDL that Aylesbury is not suitable for this protest. In particular, Saturday is very problematic as it is a market day. The EDL has ignored this view and have decided to come on a day that they choose. Although the police are in contact with the EDL and the UAF, we need to make it clear that we are not collaborating with them to organise the events for them, and any statement by the EDL or the UAF that we are doing so is false."
Aylesbury and Vale Council
http://www.aylesbury
valedc.gov.uk/news/2
010/apr/protest-may
"Statement by AVDC and Aylesbury Town Council
Aylesbury Vale District Council and Aylesbury Town Council are united in opposing the proposed English Defence League (EDL) visit to Aylesbury town centre. We have a clear message to send out to the EDL and its supporters:
1. We didn’t invite the EDL to our town and we are disappointed that they have chosen to come here.
2. We urge communities in Aylesbury and the Vale to ignore the protest, to stay away from the event and not to be provoked. We want to allow the police to manage the gathering."
and so on... read the link for the rest of the text
EDL members throwing missiles at the police
http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/news/newstopi
cs/politics/lawandor
der/7664491/Police-c
lash-with-anti-Islam
ist-protesters-in-Bu
ckinghamshire.html
So yeah, the EDL ruined the bank holiday weekend for one town and are set to ruin it for another. Great work guys!
http://www.unitedsha
des.org.uk
bat3man
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2:26am Mon 3 May 10
Good Luck to all them up there.
EDL - No Surrender!!
CTH
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2:28am Mon 3 May 10
United Shades of Britain
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2:28am Mon 3 May 10
Was this a peaceful protest?
http://current.com/n
ews/92408752_edl-ayl
esbury.htm
United Shades of Britain
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2:29am Mon 3 May 10
bat3man
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2:36am Mon 3 May 10
What is it? United Shades of Britain (but so long as you abide by Sharia Law)
United Shades of Britain
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2:48am Mon 3 May 10
Potsworth
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3:16am Mon 3 May 10
Donna Mortimer
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8:08am Mon 3 May 10
United Shades of Britain wrote:Not all muslims are terrorist BUT most terrorist are Islamic . Fact..
@CTH The things is the EDL are trying to make out that Islamic extremists are the only threat to this country, when in actual fact, there have been far more bombings from the IRA in this country in recent years. If you look at Europol stats, Islamic extremism is quite far down on the list, compared to other terrorists. And if the EDL protest Islamic extremism, why are they harassing KFC staff about halal meat? Why are they wanting to ban the burkha? Why are they wanting no mosques? Basically, to the EDL, if you're a Muslim in this country, the only way you can follow your religion is if you don't eat what you want to eat, you don't wear what you want to wear, or pray in a place of worship appropriate to your religion.
Lets not forget that the UAF and the leftie groups that attach themselves to the UAF have also caused problems. did 2 members not get arrested for doing the nazi salute? yes i think they did. Did weyman bemmett and Mr Martin Smith NOT get arrested at bolton and then bennett went ahead and broke his bail conditions and went to dudley demo. yes i think he did. what was it in bolton when it come to arrest numbers.. 55 UAF and 9 EDL. now you do the maths same happened in london. I wonder how many of you would actually counter demo without the union money you have to fund your rabbel..
The EDL are the peoples voice in Bolton we recieved waves and claps from members of the public on our arrival i will also say in Dudley we also recieved the public talking to us and asking questions and many were shocked to see that the media hype was not needed. If you want to continue to bury your head in the sand so be it, but we dont and we have a voice and the freedon to use it and i will use my voice and stand should to shoulder with the EDL. Islam is not a race its a religion so therefor your calls of us being racist are meaningless. This next part is my personal veiw. Islam is a cancer it calls for the deaths on the non believers of Allah. read the koran educate yourself.
seanburi
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8:42am Mon 3 May 10
Tell that to all our brave soldiers who are really fighting and sacrificing their lives for us, the EDL are nothing more than a rabble of football hooligans & racist thugs, stay on the roof forever, nobody will miss you.
Lisalashesxxx
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8:52am Mon 3 May 10
You're just peddling the same crap that the papers write, but you don't actually know what you are talking about.
It's laughable, you're all sheep, bleating the same INCORRECT nonsense that you have been brainwashed with.
Open your eyes.
HayleyUSoB
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8:53am Mon 3 May 10
Halal meat, mosques and burkhas have nothing to do with extremism yet they are the main targets of the EDL, How exactly does trying to stop any of this stop terrorist attacks?
Do you truly believe a bunch of people in hoodies wrapped in flags can do a better job than our security services?
How does sitting on a roof stop terrorist attacks?
Donna Mortimer
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9:08am Mon 3 May 10
seanburi wrote:Education is the ket here Sean.
@bat3man "The EDL are the only ones truly fighting for this country..." Tell that to all our brave soldiers who are really fighting and sacrificing their lives for us, the EDL are nothing more than a rabble of football hooligans & racist thugs, stay on the roof forever, nobody will miss you.
The EDL has army wives as members soldiers are also members. there is also a (MWDL ) military wives defence league and (EDL AFDL) EDL Armed forces defence league. we know what the soldiers do thanx being a wife to an ex pat i would say i am more aware than most. how do you think these brave men and women feel to be away fighting in places like Iraq and Afghanistan to come home and be told they can NOT do a home comming parade as muslims have objected or be greeted by idiots calling them baby killers and rapist. How do you think these brave men and women feel that they can NOT wear their uniforn in their own country i mean lets look at peterbourgh on that one shall we.
The EDL is made up of many people from many walks of live your assumption that we are all football hooligans and racist thugs shows you pure lack of the foundation of what the EDL stand for may i suggest you either grow a set or educate yourself. we can all sit here behind a key board and rant but its action that speak louder than words and the EDL take these actions. I would also like to point out again. Islam is NOT a race but a religion so please get that right. I do NOT want my country to turn into the country my husband went to war with. I do not want children ( girls) to be married at the age of 9 yrs plus. I do not want my daughters to be classes as a grament of a man ( we are not in the dark ages no more). I do not want Halah Meat as the way these animals are killed is against the animal protection laws in OUR western country. I do not think Sharia courts have a right to be here when they go against our own laws on human rights and domestic violance. I do not think that Muslim people should be held in a higher regard than the English people.I do not think that we should allow any more grave yards to be flatterened to make a over spill car park for a mosque. this has happened in many places manchester is one of them. they did not even have any respect for the graves under the ground that the cars are going to be parked upon. I do not think that people who practise Islam have a right to dictate what they do in their job because of their religion. police and doctors and Pharmacists and sales assistants. if you can not serve the western people of the country you work in then get a different job or leave. Now you tell me were i am wrong for wanting to preserve my countrys history and culture and also keep England the same for when our brave men and women come home. As to be honest i dont think i am .
Donna Mortimer
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9:14am Mon 3 May 10
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HayleyUSoB
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9:17am Mon 3 May 10
You didnt answer my question by the way, what can the EDL do that our forces and security services cant?
Lisalashesxxx
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9:20am Mon 3 May 10
seanburi
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9:36am Mon 3 May 10
Lisalashesxxx
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9:55am Mon 3 May 10
seanburi
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10:00am Mon 3 May 10
Lisalashesxxx
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10:10am Mon 3 May 10
SimonGB
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10:13am Mon 3 May 10
almikey
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10:22am Mon 3 May 10
If you truly want to undermine the so-called increasing islamification of the UK then do yourself a favour, drop the reactionary english nationalism, organise a rave or some sort of non-religious event, and start a dialogue.
The EDL is fast turning into a white version of Islam4UK, banging on about the same irrelevant ****.
almikey
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10:25am Mon 3 May 10
SimonGB wrote:The BNP are against sharia law, right? So how come what you propose as a legal system is just as bonkers.
@seanburi, the EDL are not the only ones fighting for this country, there is the BNP, i should know, i am a member! USoB is performing TAQIYYA, an on-purpose complete denial of any knowledge of muslims wishing to rule our great country!
Seems like you got more in common with the sharia nut jobs, thought of converting?
Donna Mortimer
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10:31am Mon 3 May 10
Did these " Security Services" stop the 7/7 bombing?. ummmmmmmmmmmmm NO.
Did these " security Service" pick the man dressed in a burka who was going to blow up another part of our country.... ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm NO
have these " security Services failed us on more than one occastion ?
dam right they have.
No the EDL did not stop these but we will make sure we dont have this again by staning up and being counted. awareness is the key and you know what awareness is there because look at us all talking about our EDL boys protesting in a roof top of a proposed mosque that 22,000 dudley people and the dudley council objected to. its all about money and our labour goverments bending over and taking it up the back side from saudi and islamic countrys. well you know what. Gordon Brown was NOT voted in but i know he will be voted out. Its the real working class people voices you heard the ones who was not born with silver spoons in our mouths the ones who work and fight hard to keep England English. all u upper class pen pushers have had your turn for 13 years NOW its time you heard our voices. like it or lump it.
Donna Mortimer
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10:40am Mon 3 May 10
seanburi wrote:lol u think you know them very well..
I know the EDL very well thank you, the security services in this country do a great job of protecting us, if we really needed a bunch of weekend warriors to save us it wouldn't be the EDL, one only has to look at any of their facebook groups to see the racism and xenophobia on display, as to opening my eyes they are open and they see straight through you and your hatred.
label me what ever floats your baot. BUT i will say i have children i also have the right to protect them.
Lisalashesxxx
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10:43am Mon 3 May 10
jabz_ali
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11:03am Mon 3 May 10
How do the EDL propose to "protect" us? By harassing managers in KFC stores that is how. Thank god for the EDL now we can sleep peacefully without the threat of militant jihadi chickens coming to slaughter us in our beds.
jabz_ali
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11:06am Mon 3 May 10
your argument does not hold water.
http://www.unitedsha
des.org.uk/i-cant-be
-a-racist-islam-isnt
-a-race.aspx
almikey
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11:09am Mon 3 May 10
Lisalashesxxx wrote:My main point, if you had an attention span greater than a 4 year-old was that the UK society is more a threat to Islam than Islam is, and the attempts by the imams to prevent this can be seen in the expansion of mosques and faith schools. So my point still stands.
sorry almikey I think I dropped off reading your post. You seem a tad confused, I don't believe i actually mentioned Sharia Law anywhere....and yes, a rave. That will really get things moving won't it....bit hungover are we dear? Go back to sleep then come back and try to patronise me again :)
Lisalashesxxx
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11:14am Mon 3 May 10
United Shades of Britain
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11:20am Mon 3 May 10
HayleyUSoB
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11:23am Mon 3 May 10
At the moment there is a few blokes in masks and hoodies standing on a factory roof in Dudley....bet Bin Laden is terrified!
jabz_ali
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11:25am Mon 3 May 10
JamesSt
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11:30am Mon 3 May 10
This shows that the EDL is not just against Islamic "extremists"--but against ALL Muslims. They are themselves extreme Islamophobes trying to wind up the Muslim population and provoke a violent reaction. These people are pogromists.
The EDL's real agenda is to distract attention away from the rich bankers that have created this economic recession onto a scapegoat--a Muslim "bogeyman".
The EDL is financed by rich businessmen in London e.g. Alan Lake. And it is no accident that they published a rant against trades unions on their website recently They are not the ENGLISH defence League but the BOSSES' Defence League--in other words far right fascists.
United Shades of Britain
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11:31am Mon 3 May 10
You're all wasting your time!
Lisalashesxxx
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11:33am Mon 3 May 10
and jabz_ali come onnnnn. Please tell me you are joking. The act of covering ones face is a clear message, surely you are not that stupid.
It's intimidating when you can't see someone's face isn't it....get it yet?
Lisalashesxxx
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11:36am Mon 3 May 10
D'oh.
United Shades of Britain
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11:36am Mon 3 May 10
jabz_ali
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11:39am Mon 3 May 10
They oppose the construction of Mosques when in fact most terrorists are brainwashed OUTSIDE of the Mosque, Halal meat (slaughtered in a similar manner to Kosher meat) Shari'a arbitration courts (The Jewish community have had Beth Din courts for over 100 years) and any cultural or religious practices of Muslims. So in effect, they don't mind Muslims as long as you don't pray, as long as you don't eat eat and as long as you don't want arbitration of your disputes to be taken by your community elders.
This organisation can not justify its existence. It raises the spectre of Shari'a and Islamification of Britain when they know full well that these will not happen. They exist only to scaremonger and to harm cohesion within communities.
Lisalashesxxx
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11:40am Mon 3 May 10
jabz_ali
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11:41am Mon 3 May 10
You have Muslims within the EDL? Your token "Muslim" Abdul is a man with learning disabilities who is used by the EDL as photo opportunities. Every time the EDL mentions Muslims at their protests they always say "ex-Muslim" do they have any actual practicising Muslims in the EDL? I'd like to speak to one.
Lisalashesxxx
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11:42am Mon 3 May 10
Lisalashesxxx
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11:43am Mon 3 May 10
United Shades of Britain
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11:49am Mon 3 May 10
There ARE NO RIOTS.
Lisalashesxxx
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11:51am Mon 3 May 10
yes there ARE muslims that are attacking us, if it was a load of australians attacking us I would still say it! Just because I said "there are lots of muslims attacking the lads" that doesn't mean I am against ALL MUSLIMS does it? I'm merely stating facts. We don't WANT violence, if you bothered to check our site etc you will see the constant notifications to people to keep it peaceful and not rise to the antagonisation
jabz_ali
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11:53am Mon 3 May 10
Anyway the latest news suggests that the DMA have decided not to proceed with the proposed Mosque and will try to re-develop the existing one, so why don't the EDL get off the roof and go home?
United Shades of Britain
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11:55am Mon 3 May 10
Local police officer: mattmarkham1
I am in Dudley, there are NO Muslims rioting! This is totally untrue and malicious misinformation.
You're lying.
jabz_ali
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12:11pm Mon 3 May 10
http://bit.ly/bb3Jev
Harbi
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1:02pm Mon 3 May 10
In light of all that, it is entirely reasonable for free people to oppose the construction of new mosques in non-Muslim countries.
United Shades of Britain
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1:13pm Mon 3 May 10
EDL showing their true colours with this protest.
Harbi
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1:20pm Mon 3 May 10
United Shades of Britain wrote:USoB logic would certainly suggest so. Which is why you like to tar ALL edl members with the same brush.
@harbi So because of a few nutters ALL muslims have to suffer?
EDL showing their true colours with this protest.
'United shades of hypocrisy' Showing YOUR true colours it seems.
robsbritish country
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1:31pm Mon 3 May 10
ns? cause lets face it,there aint many white people in dudley are there? the edl are standing up for the british people,the only ones with balls.and i take my hat off to them!
robsbritish country
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1:31pm Mon 3 May 10
ns? cause lets face it,there aint many white people in dudley are there? the edl are standing up for the british people,the only ones with balls.and i take my hat off to them!
Harbi
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1:50pm Mon 3 May 10
robsbritish country wrote:@robsbritish, this is not about black white or Indian. Posting such a comment just makes you sound ignorant.
i am from dudley,i am not racist and alot of white people are not racists but we have had enough of whats happening to our country! you come to england,you get houses,money,the best of everything,and you get t o do what ever you want! could we go to india and do what ever we wanted? could we build a church? could we get a nice house? we would be slaughted! maybe there was only 22,000 people what signed against the mosque and maybe there is 194,919 people live in dudley......could all these be blacks,muslims,india
ns? cause lets face it,there aint many white people in dudley are there? the edl are standing up for the british people,the only ones with balls.and i take my hat off to them!
robsbritish country
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2:07pm Mon 3 May 10
mmmmmm sounds black! edl all the way! instead of building YET another mosgue(cause i think they got enough) lets build some factorys for people who are looking for work! or a leisure centre for local kids who are on the streets cause there aint nothing for them to do! edl all the way
Harbi
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2:48pm Mon 3 May 10
Aynuck
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3:21pm Mon 3 May 10
Muslims represent a relatively small percentage of the total population of Dudley and many objections were raised because such a large and potentially valuable area of land was given to the Dudley Muslim Association by the local authority without the consent of the electorate. The proposed Mosque would have dominated the local landscape with the minarets being visible for miles around because of the elevated area that the mosque would have occupied. Architecturally the Mosque would have been at odds with it's surrounding area.
Local people also believed (rightly or wrongly) that some public money would have been needed to help fund the project.
It would be disingenuous to pretend that there are absolutely no racists in and around Dudley because there are racists everywhere and of every colour or creed. It's one of the less attractive traits of human nature although education and mutual understanding could help to eradicate some of this. The proposed Mosque did not have the support of the wider community.
The actions of the EDL, previous protests by the BNP and some local news coverage had brought this issue into sharp focus. There are however several factors at work here if we take time to rationally analyse what is happening in this country.
Gordon Brown's recent 'bigot' gaffe shows that politicians have long ignored the genuine concerns of the electorate, dismissing these concerns about mass immigration, asylum seekers and economic migration from the EU as bigotry.
There is active visible censorship of the BNP, the Question Time fiasco proved the bias of politicians and media against a party which directly addresses many of the concerns of British people.
As the various name calling on these message boards clearly shows nothing much is achieved by slurs, it's time for a grown up debate to take place.
The media have been complicit in stifling the long overdue debate on immigration and cultural identity which needs to take place in this country with an equal voice for all.
Minority interests have been favoured at the expense of the white working class of this country who feel that they no longer have a voice and that their concerns or objections are ignored and brushed aside by the ruling metropolitan elite.
The BNP is rapidly gaining support because the Labour Party have turned their backs on ordinary working men and women and seem intent on importing their support from immigrants who have altered the demographic picture of the UK, England in particular beyond recognition and largely without the consent of the people (of whatever colour creed etc) who already live here.
Islamic extremists offering abuse British troops returning from duty in Afghanistan was the main catalyst which caused outraged citizens to take to the streets in support of the EDL.
This country has a long history of tolerance but unless Muslims engage with the resident population of this overcrowded country, actively denounce radical Immans and marginalise the extremists in their midst there will be a sharp rise in political extremism on both sides of the divide which will ultimately benefit no one.
Dudley Muslims as far as I know do not embrace Islamist extremism but neither do they try to be part of the wider community of Dudley.
Most of us in the Black Country would have no objection to the Muslms having an appropriate place of worship ( the site of the old Dudley Hippodrome opposite the ex cinema that houses the Jehovah's Witnesses comes to my mind) but the seemingly aggressive manner in which the proposals were pursued and the ignoring of peoples wishes by unelected officials from outside the area has hardened and entrenched public opinion in this area.
For information purposes I'm not a member of any political party although I support many (but not all) of the policies of the BNP.
TOM THE CABIN BOY
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3:28pm Mon 3 May 10
United Shades of Britain wrote:the EDL protest Islamic extremism, why are they harassing KFC staff about halal meat? Glad to see you are asking questions. Why should everyone else have to eat Halal because at the moment everything points that way, IMO KFC dropped a clanger and I would urge everyone who isnt moslem to boycott the place, let them see profits fall and outlets shut down There is news that the biggest Halal meat processing plant is been considered in S Wales. As a minority why should the majority have to do the bidding of Islam Why are they wanting to ban the burkha? As we have seen in the past the Burka has been used to avoid arrest by Islamic terrorist and other crimminals to say nothing about the abuse of women Bash em Bruise em cover it up with a burka Why are they wanting no mosques? The Channel 4 documentary made it public the message delivered in the Mosque you cant deny it. As a minotity just how many Mosques do you need. The PM of Turkey stated that the mosques are our barracks etc Google PM ERDOGAN Basically, to the EDL, if you're a Muslim in this country, the only way you can follow your religion is if you don't eat what you want to eat, you don't wear what you want to wear, or pray in a place of worship appropriate to your religion.
@CTH The things is the EDL are trying to make out that Islamic extremists are the only threat to this country, when in actual fact, there have been far more bombings from the IRA in this country in recent years. If you look at Europol stats, Islamic extremism is quite far down on the list, compared to other terrorists. And if the EDL protest Islamic extremism, why are they harassing KFC staff about halal meat? Why are they wanting to ban the burkha? Why are they wanting no mosques? Basically, to the EDL, if you're a Muslim in this country, the only way you can follow your religion is if you don't eat what you want to eat, you don't wear what you want to wear, or pray in a place of worship appropriate to your religion.
In the future you will have your choice if you want to follow Islam but the people of Britain are waking up to the real Islam.The EDL are just bringing these issues to public notice as the various political parties and the MM doesnt like to confront the problems. The state of the country will also be a problem wait to see what happens when the promised cut backs are in force. Why does such a small minority make so many demands. We have had immigrants coming here for years and yes there was trouble in the process along the way but nothing like what we will see happening in the very near future Well done EDL more and more people will seek out the truth thanks to your actions.
robsbritish country
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4:24pm Mon 3 May 10
1MU
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6:01pm Mon 3 May 10
"Islam is not a race its a religion so therefor your calls of us being racist are meaningless."
So you admit that what you say would be deemed racist if Muslims were actually a race. That's an admission that you think you can say things of a racist nature, but direct them at a religion instead. Unfortunately for you you are wrong. The law categorises hatred against people on religious grounds in the same category as hatred against people on racial grounds.
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Racial_and_
Religious_Hatred_Act
_2006
The Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006 is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom (citation 2006 c. 1) which creates an offence in England and Wales of inciting hatred against a person on the grounds of their religion.
As it's an extension on the same piece of legislation that bans inciting racial hatred, legally speaking inciting hatred against Muslims is the same as racism.
Bigland
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7:26pm Mon 3 May 10
Aynuck
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7:35pm Mon 3 May 10
1MU wrote:That's correct but a legitimate protest or discussion could not be construed as inciting racial or religious hatred.
@ Donna Mortimer.
"Islam is not a race its a religion so therefor your calls of us being racist are meaningless."
So you admit that what you say would be deemed racist if Muslims were actually a race. That's an admission that you think you can say things of a racist nature, but direct them at a religion instead. Unfortunately for you you are wrong. The law categorises hatred against people on religious grounds in the same category as hatred against people on racial grounds.
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Racial_and_
Religious_Hatred_Act
_2006
The Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006 is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom (citation 2006 c. 1) which creates an offence in England and Wales of inciting hatred against a person on the grounds of their religion.
As it's an extension on the same piece of legislation that bans inciting racial hatred, legally speaking inciting hatred against Muslims is the same as racism.
The oft overplayed race card has been used far too many times as a tool to stifle debate and to overrule the wishes of the majority of the people who live here.
Was the Muslim who defaced the war memorial with pro Islamist graffiti charged with inciting racial hatred?
Muslims can't have it both ways, they can't demand the freedom to protest for themselves whilst denying it to every non Muslim who disagrees with them.
1MU
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7:38pm Mon 3 May 10
"Islam is not a race its a religion so therefor your calls of us being racist are meaningless."
So you admit that what you say would be deemed racist if Muslims were actually a race. That's an admission that you think you can say things of a racist nature, but direct them at a religion instead. Unfortunately for you you are wrong. The law categorises hatred against people on religious grounds in the same category as hatred against people on racial grounds.
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Racial_and_
Religious_Hatred_Act
_2006
The Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006 is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom (citation 2006 c. 1) which creates an offence in England and Wales of inciting hatred against a person on the grounds of their religion.
As it's an extension on the same piece of legislation that bans inciting racial hatred, legally speaking inciting hatred against Muslims is the same as racism.
1MU
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7:48pm Mon 3 May 10
Bigland wrote:Not at all, they are both almost identical only one is directed at race and the other at religion. Why is it more moral to say that 'Muslims are taking over and are scum' than it is to say 'Asians are taking over and are scum'? If one is somehow better than the other as it isn't to do with a particular form of human category, then hatred becomes a game where hatred is only bad if it's racial. Attacking Muslims really is a proxy form of racism as EDL members frequently refer to 'Pakis' as well as 'muzzies'. In the end it means the same, but they think they can get away with it. What Donna has just demonstrated is that attacking Muslims is a way of being racist, but being able to say it doesn't count.
That's bizarre logic, 1MU. On those grounds, pineapple chunks are the same as ham because you can find them both on the same pizza.
1MU
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8:10pm Mon 3 May 10
Aynuck wrote:The EDL spend all their protesting against Muslims though, specifically in ways and locations that actually incite racial hatred. Muslims see it as an attack on them, so the EDL are inciting racial hatred and race riots (most of the Muslims will probably be Asian anyway).
1MU wrote:That's correct but a legitimate protest or discussion could not be construed as inciting racial or religious hatred.
@ Donna Mortimer.
"Islam is not a race its a religion so therefor your calls of us being racist are meaningless."
So you admit that what you say would be deemed racist if Muslims were actually a race. That's an admission that you think you can say things of a racist nature, but direct them at a religion instead. Unfortunately for you you are wrong. The law categorises hatred against people on religious grounds in the same category as hatred against people on racial grounds.
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Racial_and_
Religious_Hatred_Act
_2006
The Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006 is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom (citation 2006 c. 1) which creates an offence in England and Wales of inciting hatred against a person on the grounds of their religion.
As it's an extension on the same piece of legislation that bans inciting racial hatred, legally speaking inciting hatred against Muslims is the same as racism.
The oft overplayed race card has been used far too many times as a tool to stifle debate and to overrule the wishes of the majority of the people who live here.
Was the Muslim who defaced the war memorial with pro Islamist graffiti charged with inciting racial hatred?
Muslims can't have it both ways, they can't demand the freedom to protest for themselves whilst denying it to every non Muslim who disagrees with them.
The oft overplayed phrase 'playing the race card' is always used to stifle any reasonable discussion as to whether it's acceptable to wage a campaign against a minority. The BNP say the 'race card' is played when it comes to 'stifling freedom of speech', in other words when they can't use the racially abusive language that they'd love to do.
If there weren't so many racists around discussing issues like immigration and religion wouldn't be so sensitive.
Why would a Muslim get charged with inciting racial hatred for defacing a war memorial? War memorials aren't places of Christian worship, they aren't exclusive to Christians either. Unless he said something that was against a specific religion instead of for Islam, I don't see how that could be classed as inciting racial hatred any more than the non-Muslim lad who urinated on one. Or is it only racist when a Muslim abuses a war memorial?
How are Muslims denying the right to protest to non-Muslims? They aren't. It's the EDL who are trying to limit democracy by stopping Muslims from having their own places of worship. The law of the land says you are entitled to protest as long as it meets certain requirements. Nobody has stopped the EDL from going on demos, as long as they are in legal venues and have been approved by the police. This time the EDL illegally occupied private property and made a public disturbance by playing music loudly through a PA system - far louder than would've been the case - well into the night.
Aynuck
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8:17pm Mon 3 May 10
1MU wrote:Muslims frequently refer to non Muslims as 'kaffirs'.
Bigland wrote:Not at all, they are both almost identical only one is directed at race and the other at religion. Why is it more moral to say that 'Muslims are taking over and are scum' than it is to say 'Asians are taking over and are scum'? If one is somehow better than the other as it isn't to do with a particular form of human category, then hatred becomes a game where hatred is only bad if it's racial. Attacking Muslims really is a proxy form of racism as EDL members frequently refer to 'Pakis' as well as 'muzzies'. In the end it means the same, but they think they can get away with it. What Donna has just demonstrated is that attacking Muslims is a way of being racist, but being able to say it doesn't count.
That's bizarre logic, 1MU. On those grounds, pineapple chunks are the same as ham because you can find them both on the same pizza.
Why are Muslims allowed to get away with this? Racism works both ways but because there is now real and visible protest on the streets as a response to what many see as the aggressive advancement of Islam in Britain and throughout Europe Muslims complain that these legitimate protests constitute a racially motivated attack on Islam. These complaints are just a variation on the 'race card' tried and trusted method of stifling debate and overcoming opposition.
Aynuck
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8:51pm Mon 3 May 10
Whilst the defacing of any war memorial would be considered to be offensive to most right thinking people whether perpetrated by either Muslim or non Muslim I'd consider the graffiti by the Muslim boy to be racially offensive because of what was actually written.
A local Muslim 'community leader' when asked his opinion of the act reportedly answered that he was 'not troubled by it'.
That is also offensive.
I'm not a paid up member of the BNP but I do support some of their policies and I frequently look on their website. I haven't seen any examples of 'racially abusive language' such as was referred to.
Name calling on either side negates real debate and no sane person could deny that Islamic advancement, mass immigration, asylum and economic migration are real and pressing issues which concern a large proportion of the population.
I'd agree that technically EDL members might be guilty of trespass because they gained entry to a derelict building, hardly the crime of the century and they did it as a form of protest.
I don't know the facts about the playing of loud music because I wasn't there to hear it but it wouldn't be the first time that local residents had been disturbed by noise etc. and not necessarily from non Muslims.
Protests by non Muslims about the advancement of Islam in the UK are suppressed by politicians, police and a compliant media who frequently edit what stories they do report on to favour the multicultural ideal that they as a liberal metropolitan elite aspire to and which we do not share.
Multiculturalism has been forced on sections of the British population without their consent and the pendulum of opinion is now starting to swing back as a reaction to happenings over the past forty years in which no consent was ever sought to introduce what many see as an alien culture into our midst.
There ought to be a moratorium immigration into this country immediately until every person who is claiming Jobseekers allowance is in employment.
Those who plan to build Mosques should respect the wishes of the host community in which they have chosen to live instead of trying to overcome genuine opposition by claims of racism and then appealing to High Court judges who have no knowledge of the area or the situation.
Bigland
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9:23pm Mon 3 May 10
1MU wrote:Then call it religious hatred, because it isn't racism. Not all Asians are Muslims and not all Muslims are Asian ("most" is not "all").
Bigland wrote:Not at all, they are both almost identical only one is directed at race and the other at religion. Why is it more moral to say that 'Muslims are taking over and are scum' than it is to say 'Asians are taking over and are scum'? If one is somehow better than the other as it isn't to do with a particular form of human category, then hatred becomes a game where hatred is only bad if it's racial. Attacking Muslims really is a proxy form of racism as EDL members frequently refer to 'Pakis' as well as 'muzzies'. In the end it means the same, but they think they can get away with it. What Donna has just demonstrated is that attacking Muslims is a way of being racist, but being able to say it doesn't count.
That's bizarre logic, 1MU. On those grounds, pineapple chunks are the same as ham because you can find them both on the same pizza.
Yes, I'm sure some people who are guilty of religious hatred are also guilty of race hatred. But you muddy the issue if you try to say all critics of Islam are racist.
hoplite1766
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9:49pm Mon 3 May 10
Free Agent
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5:31am Tue 4 May 10
Wake up and defend your country before it's too late.
I thought the British had courage., but maybe i'm mistaken.
robsbritish country
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10:31am Tue 4 May 10
ell said! i was talking to an ex bnp member last night,he said in 20 years time the muslims would out breed us that is there weapon.i feel so worried for my kids,kids,kids who will have to be in a country not worth living in.and these people who keep voting labour and not got the back bone to stand up for this country will realise they should of done something alot sooner for our country! because in 20years it wont be our country! i hope you will all be very happy!
lets all stand with the edl when they next in dudley and show this goverment we have had enough!
Southport Squadron
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2:04pm Tue 4 May 10
United Shades of Britain wrote:i think the people of Dudley will have been greatfull for the disruption as long as it helps promote their plight. i would also say that 22,000 signatures on a list is a majority and not a minority. 22k said NO yet the council has gone ahead and done what it pleases. EDL NO SURRENDER. proud of you lads down their.
How the EDL thinks this will help their credibility is beyond me. After yesterday's demo, in a town where nobody wanted them, their popularity is pretty low right now. And disrupting people on a Sunday night, no thought to the elderly or children, or anyone trying to sleep whilst blaring out music. Haven't they disrupted enough people this weekend?
robsbritish country
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4:33pm Tue 4 May 10
spud edl
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5:50pm Wed 5 May 10
United Shades of Britain
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11:44pm Wed 5 May 10
The Dudley population is 194,919, which makes 22,000 not a majority. A simple google told me that.
I don't think anyone is really thanking you for bringing an aggressive attitude to a situation that was being dealt with calmly and through the proper channels.
The result of the EDL's actions are proof enough that that kind of behaviour is not acceptable in our society.
robsbritish country
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1:06pm Thu 6 May 10
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Free Agent
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1:51am Thu 13 May 10
You are a prime example of why the EDL is so necessary. They help educate idiots aboutvthe real & impending danger that idiots have a knack for ignoring.
Long live the EDL and may it grow ever stronger & may it save the British culture & way of life so many veterans died to preserve.
Surely, Churchill would be so very ashamed of all of you apologists & appeasers for simply rolling over and handing over your country. Shame!
Road_Hog says...
12:17am Mon 3 May 10